WE HEAR AND TALK ABOUT THIS
ALL THE TIME.
PRICES GOING UP WHILE WAGES
LAG BEHIND.
AND HOUSING COSTS THAT ARE OUT
OF REACH.
RENT JUST KEEPS GOING UP.
IT’S JUST MORE DIFFICULT.
ONE BEDROOM IS $1,200.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT
SOMEBODY ON A MINIMUM WAGE IS
MAKING, IT’S JUST TOUGH.
BUT, THERE IS NEW EFFORT UNDERWAY
TO CHANGE THE STATUS QUO.
JOIN THE CONVERSATION ON LOW
WAGES AND THE LACK OF
AFFORDABILITY IN HAWAIʻI.
TONIGHT’S LIVE BROADCAST
AND LIVESTREAM OF
WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE?
ON INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI
START NOW.
[INTRO MUSIC]
ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS
ON PBS HAWAIʻI…I’M DARYL
HUFF.
MORE AND MORE THESE DAYS
HAWAIʻI RESIDENTS EXPRESS
FEARS THAT OUR MIDDLE CLASS IS
FEELING SQUEEZED. THE VERY
PEOPLE WHO WERE ONCE THE
BACKBONE OF THE COMMUNITY –
WHO BELIEVED THAT IF THEY
WORKED HARD AND SAVED THEIR
MONEY THEY COULD CREATE A
BETTER FUTURE FOR THEIR
CHILDREN NOW BELIEVE THAT
FUTURE IS MOST LIKELY ON THE
MAINLAND.
FEWER JOBS OFFER A LIVING
WAGE. HOMES ARE NOT
AFFORDABLE. AND MANY OF THOSE
BEING BUILT ARE PRICED FOR THE
LUXURY MARKET.
DATA GATHERED BY THE HAWAIʻI
COMMUNITY FOUNDATION’S
CHANGE FRAMEWORK PAINT A
CLEAR PICTURE THAT SOMETHING
NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT’S
SHOW. YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR
TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS. AND
YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF
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PAGE.
NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.
ERIN KANNO UEHARA IS OWNER AND
PRESIDENT OF CHOCO LEA, A
LOCAL GOURMET CHOCOLATE
COMPANY IN MANOA VALLEY. SHE
WAS BORN AND RAISED IN
MILILANI, CENTRAL OAHU, IS
MARRIED WITH TWO YOUNG
CHILDREN AND LOVES DANCING
HIP-HOP, JAZZ AND
CONTEMPORARY STYLES.
SARAH TOCHIKI IS THE BAND
DIRECTOR AT CHIEFESS
KAMAKAHELEI MIDDLE SCHOOL IN
LIHUE, KAUAI AND THE DIRECTOR
OF THE KAUAI COMMUNITY
COLLEGE INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC
PROGRAM. SHE EARNED A MASTER
OF MUSIC EDUCATION AT BOSTON
UNIVERSITY AND WAS BORN AND
RAISED ON OAHU.
SUMNER LACROIX IS PROFESSOR
EMERITUS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
ECONOMICS AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF HAWAIʻI-MANOA AND A
RESEARCH FELLOW WITH THE
UNIVERSITY OF HAWAIʻI
ECONOMIC RESEARCH
ORGANIZATION.
AND SEAN KAMALANI RAPOZA, AN
OAHU NATIVE WHO GREW UP IN
KAILUA. HE IS A GRADUATE OF
MARYKNOLL SCHOOL AND
CURRENTLY WORKS IN A
WAREHOUSE. HE HAS A
13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, LOVES
TO SING AND PLAY MUSIC AND
DESCRIBES HIMSELF AS A PEOPLE
PERSON.
>>Daryl: LET ME START OFF WITH
AARON.
TWO YOUNG KIDS.
WHEN YOU SEE ALL OF THIS
STUFF, TO YOU GET DEPRESSED?
LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF THOSE
TWO KIDS, WHAT DO YOU THINK
ABOUT?
>>WHEN I LUGE AT MY TWO KID,
THIS IS THE HOPE FOR THE
FUTURE ACTUALLY.
WHERE WE’RE IN A CRISIS WHERE
WE’RE WORKING TO MAKE IT
BETTER FOR THEM.
THEY’LL PROBABLY COME UP WITH
BETTER IDEAS BY THE TIME
THEY’RE OUR AGE INTO.
>>Daryl: YOU’RE A SMALL
BUSINESS OWNER N THIS
ECONOMY, HOW IS IT GOING?
>>IT’S GOING GREAT.
AND IT IS ALSO GOING GREAT
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED
AND WORKING REALLY HARD.
IT’S NOT JUST GREAT BECAUSE
IT’S GIVEN TO YOU GREAT.
>>Daryl: YOU HAVE TO WORK
REALLY HARD.
>>YES.
>>Daryl: WITH THIS SMALL
BUSINESS, ARE YOU ABLE TO
AFFORD THE LIFESTYLE YOU WERE
HOPING FOR?
>>I THINK WHAT I WAS HOPING
FOR IS KIND OF MORE THE WORK
THAT I WANTED TO DO IN THIS
WORLD.
AND THE KIND OF FAMILY I WANT
TO RAISE.
I’M DOING THAT.
BASED ON WHAT I’M ABLE TO DO
WITH FINANCES AND THE
BUSINESS THAT I HAVE.
IF I MEASURE IT IN TERMS OF THE
HOUSE I WANT TO LIVE IN, OR THE
LUXURIES I WOULD LIKE TO DO,
THEN NO, I WOULDN’T SAY THAT
NECESSARILY.
I MIGHT BE DOING WHAT I WOULD
HOPE TO.
BUT I AM HAPPY IN DOING WHAT
IS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME.
IN RIFE RIGHT NOW.
>>Daryl: CONGRATULATIONS.
>>THANK YOU.
>>Daryl: WAREHOUSE.
WE HEAR WAREHOUSE.
DON’T THINK OF HIGH WAGES.
HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE HOW DOES
THAT WORK IN YOUR LIFESTYLE IN
HOW DO YOU LIVE?
>>I’M VERY BLESSED.
THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT I’VE
HAD, LIKE YOU SAID, I WORK AT
A WAREHOUSE.
IT’S NOT THE MOST PAY THAT YOU
CAN MAKE, BUT I FIND THE MEANS
TO GET BY.
THERE’S BEEN A FEW NIGHTS
WHERE, FEW DAYS, WHERE I HAD
TO, I COULDN’T EAT BECAUSE I
HAD TO PAY MY BILLS.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO
FIND THE FINE BALANCE OF I
GUESS, BEING SUCCESSFUL AT
LIFE IS PRETTY INTIMIDATING,
VERY HARD.
I’M VERY BLESSED.
>>Daryl: YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR
OUTLETS.
>>YES.
>>Daryl: WHICH IS?
>>I LOVE TO SING.
I LOVE TO PLAY MUSIC.
I’M AN ENTERTAINER AND A
PEOPLE PERSON.
I LOVE ENGAGING PEOPLE.
AND JUST POURING INTO PEOPLE.
>>Daryl: SAME QUESTION I
ASKED AARON.
YOU’VE GOT A 13-YEAR-OLD
DAUGHTER.
ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT HER
FUTURE AND HER ABILITY TO STAY
HERE?
>>YES.
LIVING, TRYING TO FIND
AFFORDABLE LIVING HERE IS
GETTING HARDER AND HARDER
EACH AND EVERY YEAR.
THE COST OF LIVING GOES UP
EVERY YEAR.
AND THE AMOUNT OF PAY THAT WE
RECEIVE, IT JUST DOESN’T
REFLECT THE —
>>Daryl: THERE’S NO
CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT
PEOPLE MAKE AND WHAT IT COST
TO LIVE.
>>EXACTLY.
>>Daryl: IS YOU’VE BEEN
RENTING.
HOW IS THAT?
HOW IS FINDING A RENTAL IN
HONOLULU?
>>YOU KNOW, I LIVE WITH MY
STEP-BROTHER AND HIS WIFE AND
HIS DAUGHTER.
AND IF IT WASN’T, IF I DIDN’T
HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, I
DON’T KNOW WHERE I WOULD BE
LIVING RIGHT NOW.
I WOULDN’T.
>>Daryl: LIVING WITH FAMILY.
STORY OF THE TOWN.
>>YES.
>>Daryl: LET ME ASK YOU.
WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE BEEN?
YOU WENT AWAY FOR SCHOOL.
AND THEN CAME BACK.
WAS THAT A HARD DECISION TO
MAKE, TO COME BACK?
, I LOVE HAWAIʻI.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE.
I WANTED TO BECOME A BAND
DIRECTOR AND COME BACK HERE
AND GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY
AND TEACH KIDS, MAKE THEM INTO
MUSICIANS THAT REALLY LOVE
MUSIC AND BECOME GREAT PEOPLE
THAT ARE THEN GOING TO COME
BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY AND IT
SHOULD BE A CYCLICAL THING.
BUT I CAN SAY MY FIRST, WHEN
I FIRST GOT THE JOB ON KAUAI,
HAD NO PLACE TO LIVE.
AND SO WHEN I ARRIVED ON THE
ISLAND, THE ONLY PLACE THAT I
COULD FIND, BECAUSE THERE’S
SUCH A LOW INVENTORY OF PLACES
TO LIVE, WAS A CONVERTED
GARAGE THAT WAS MADE INTO A
STUDIO APARTMENT, THAT WAS
$1,200 A MONTH.
WHICH WAS MORE THAN ONE OF MY
PAYCHECKS.
SO GO TO COLLEGE, THEY TELL
YOU GOING TO GET A GREAT JOB,
GRADUATE.
FIND A GREAT JOB.
HAVE THIS GREAT LIFE.
THEN IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, I
DON’T KNOW IF I’M GOING TO BE
ABLE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING
THAT I NEED TO WITH THE AMOUNT
THAT I’M MAKING AS A BRAND NEW
TEACHER? DOES IT AFFECT YOUR
DECISIONS GOING INTO THE
FUTURE?
LOOK AT TEACHER SALARY,
HOUSING SALARY.
MIGHT YOU BE TEMPTED TO DO
LEAVE.
>>$67,000 IN LOW INCOME IN
OUR STATE.
HALF THE TEACHERS IN THE STATE
ARE TECHNICALLY KNOW INCOME
THAT MAKE LESS THAN THAT KIND
OF DIFFICULT.8
MY SISTER ALSO A TEACHER.
LIVES IN THE STATE OF
WASHINGTON.
MAKES A THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE
A MONTH THAN I DID IN
TAKE-HOME PAY.
IN THE SEATTLE AREA.
HAS ONLY A THIRD OF THE
EXPERIENCE THAT I DO.
IT’S TEMPTING TO GO, MAYBE
I’LL GO LIVE IN SEATTLE FOR A
LITTLE BIT.
GO LIVE WITH MY SISTER.
I CAN PAY OFF A BUNCH OF MY
MORTGAGE.
I CAN HAVE THIS GREAT LIFE.
AND ENJOY LIVING ON THE
MAINLAND.
THEN MAYBE I’LL BE READY TO
COME BACK TO HAWAIʻI WHEN I
CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD IT.
BUT I LOVE MY COMMUNITY.
AND I LOVE KAUAI AND BEING
ABLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN
THE KID LIVES.
HOW CAN DO THAT IF YOU’RE
HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT PAYING
FOR THE $8-GALLON OF MILK.
>>Daryl: IS LOVE ENOUGH?
>>WELL, I MEAN, I’VE LIFTED
IN HAWAIʻI SINCE I WAS 25
YEARS OLD.
FIRST JOB AFTER GRADUATING
FROM UNIVERSITY OF
WASHINGTON.
JUST SOMEONE — I DOUBT I EVER
EVER LEAVE HAWAIʻI.
I LOVE IT HERE.
LOVE THE PEOPLE.
UNIVERSITY OF HAWAIʻI GREAT
SCHOOL.
WONDERFUL FACULTY.
DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMICS THAT
HAS JUST REALLY FANTASTIC
STUDENTS AND FACULTY.
WONDERFUL THING IN MY LIFE.
I RETIRED FROM UNIVERSITY 3
YEARS AGO.
VERY ACTIVE IN RESEARCH
PROJECTS.
FEW WEEKS AGO H A CHANCE TO GO
OUT TO WEST OAHU MAKE A
PRESENTATION ON NEW BOOK ON
HAWAIIAN ECONOMIC HISTORY.
IT WAS NICE BEING BACK WITH
GROUP OF STUDENTS AGAIN.
STUDENTS AT UNIVERSITY OF
HAWAIʻI WEST OAHU WERE REALLY
ENTHUSIASTIC.
GREAT TO PRESENT TO THEM.
AFTERWARDS, A LOT OF THEM CAME
UP TO ME, WHAT CAN DO WITH THIS
DEGREE?
STUDENTS HAVE BEEN SAYING
THAT.
>>Daryl: WHEN WAS THE LAST
TIME A NEW PROFESSOR WAS HIRED
IN YOUR DEPARTMENT?
>>WE’VE HAD REGULAR HIRES.
>>Daryl: OKAY.
>>REALLY HAVE.
>>Daryl: LET ME ASK.
OVER THE COURSE OF THESE
YEARS, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE
MOST IMPORTANT AND/OR
DISTRESSING DEVELOPMENTS IN
OUR ECONOMY OR LACK OF
DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR ECONOMY
SM.
>>YEAH.
>>Daryl: PLACE WHERE WE ARE.
>>WELL, YOU KNOW, HAWAIʻI HAS
HAD A ROCKY RIDE SINCE I’VE
BEEN HERE.
THE FIRST TEN YEARS WHEN I WAS
HERE, 1980S, TIME OF BOOM AND
PROSPERITY.
1990s, TREMENDOUS RECESSION
WHILE THE REST OF US BOOMED.
JAPAN FALLEN INTO DEEP
DEPRESSION.
SILVER LINING, HOUSES PRICES
FELL.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO
BUY HOMES AND GET BETTER
ACCESS TO HOMES.
DIFFICULT PERIOD FOR ISLAND
FAMILIES.
2,000, THROUGH 2007, WAS
ESSENTIALLY A BOOM PERIOD FOR
HAWAIʻI. WE TOOK A REAL HIT
IN THE GREAT RECESSION THAT
PERIOD 2007 TO ABOUT 2010.
LOST A LOT OF JOBS, INCOME.
REALLY ONLY RESTORED THE
INCOME LEVELS OF 2007 TODAY.
SO I LOOK AT PERFORMANCE OF
THE HAWAIʻI ECONOMY.
VERY INCONSISTENT.
IT’S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR
PEOPLE BECAUSE DEPENDING
UPON, FOR EXAMPLE WHEN YOU
GRADUATED FROM SCHOOL, SOME
PEOPLE COME OUT OF SCHOOLS
BEEN BOOM TIME.
DONE REALLY WELL.
OTHER PEOPLE, COME OUT OF
SCHOOL, REALLY STRUGGLED FOR
FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
>>Daryl: CYCLICAL.
WE WERE TALKING EARLIER,
YOU’VE HAD A LOT OF JOBS FROM
COMING FROM SCHOOL.
WHEN YOU, WHAT WAS IT LIKE?
WERE THERE TIMES WHEN THERE
WAS NOTHING, THEN TIMES WHICH
IS A LOT, GOING THROUGH THE
WHOLE CIRCULAR KIND OF THING
WE HAVE?
>>IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT.
YOU JUST TRY TO FOCUS ON
MAKING IT.
AND JUST TRY TO DO THE BEST JOB
THAT YOU CAN.
>>Daryl: THE JOBS THAT YOU’VE
HAD, I THINK JUST GIVE ME A
LIST.
SOME OF THE PROBLEMS YOU HAD.
WHAT DID YOU DO OUT OF HIGH
SCHOOL?
>>FIRST JOB WAS SAM GOODY’S.
>>Daryl: GONE.
>>GONE.
YEAH.
AFTER THAT, I WORKED AT PIZZA
HUT FOR A FEW YEARS.
AS A DELIVERY DRIVER.
AND YEAH, JUST MET VARIOUS
JOBS.
>>Daryl: DID YOU FEEL LIKE YOU
WERE IN CONTROL OR DID YOU
FEEL LIKE YOU WERE ALWAYS
WAITING FOR THE NEXT THING TO
COME ALONG THAT YOU HAD TO
GRAB AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A
COURSE TO FOLLOW?
>>YEAH.
YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD.
IT WAS ALL ABOUT OPPORTUNITY.
WHATEVER OPPORTUNITY
PRESENTED ITSELF TO ME, IS I
JUMPED ON IT.
AND YEAH.
THAT WAS COURSE OF MY LIFE.
>>Daryl: HOW DID YOU END UP
GETTING THIS SMALL BUSINESS?
DID YOU — YOU MENTIONED
GOING AWAY TO COLLEGE.
>>WENT TO UNIVERSITY OF
HAWAIʻI.
>>Daryl: U.H.?
>>YES.
I WENT FROM ACTUALLY GETTING
A DEGREE IN EDUCATION.
TEACHER.
ONE THOSE THAT BURNED OUT AND
QUIT.
AND 2008.
COULDN’T FIND A JOB.
APPLIED FOR ABOUT FIVE
STARBUCKS.
DIDN’T GET HIRED.
WENT THROUGH ALL KINDS OF JOB
APPLICATIONS, FEDERAL,
PRIVATE, STATE.
>>Keahi: YOU COULDN’T GET
HIRED?
>>I COULDN’T GET HIRED.
I GOT A LOT OF CAN’T DO
ANYTHING WITH THE EDUCATION
TO TEACH.
IT WAS REALLY TOUGH. A LOT OF
JOBS I LOOKED FOR HAD REAL
SPECIFIC SKILL SETS OR
BUSINESS.
I ENDED UP WORKING AT THE
UNIVERSITY, ABLE TO GET
MASTERS IN BUSINESS FOR FREE
AS PART OF THAT BENEFIT SO
THERE WAS THAT HOPEFUL NEXT
JOB I COULD GET ONE DAY, AND
I HAD GREAT LEADERSHIP AT MY
WORK SAID, JUST DO IT.
GET AN MBA EVEN THOUGH YOU
DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE DOING
IN THE FUTURE.
>>Daryl: DID THAT HELP?
DID IT OPEN DOORS OR ACTUALLY
SET YOU UP SO YOU KNEW WHAT TO
DO WHEN IT COMES STARTING A
BUSINESS?
>>NO.
IN THAT MOMENT, WASN’T
PLANNING ON STARTING A
BUSINESS.
ON THE SIDE, TEACHING DANCE.
THAT FLOURISHED.
REALLY WELL TEACHING
STUDENTS.
HAPPY DOING THAT.
BUT.
>>Daryl: ONE-ON-ONE KIND OF
INSTRUCTION?
OR LIKE A CLASS?
>>I WORKED WITH A STUDIO.
SUBCONTRACT TO ELEMENTARY
SCHOOLS TO TEACH ARTS IN
SCHOOL.
LONG JOURNEY, BUT BASICALLY
PATH OF LIFE LED ME THROUGH
MEETING SOMEBODY, TURNED OUT
TO BE A RELATIVE MAKING
CHOCOLATE IN HIS HOME.
TAUGHT ME THE SKILL.
HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT
FAMILY. TURNED INTO, WHY
DON’T YOU OPEN A SHOP OR MAKE
THIS A BUSINESS.
I DON’T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
>>Daryl: WE’LL TALK MORE
ABOUT THE SMALL BUSINESS
STRUGGLE.
HEARING WHAT THESE FOLKS HOW
THESE FOLKS GOT TO WHERE THEY
ARE TODAY, WHAT WE TAKE, DO WE
TAKE AWAY FROM THAT?
>>WELL, I THINK HAWAIʻI IS A
WHOLE MALANGE OF STORIES.
SEE TONS OF DIFFERENT STORIES
IN HAWAIʻI.
PEOPLE COME HERE GOOD JOBS.
MAKE GOOD SALARIES.
BECOME RICH.
I DON’T THINK THAT’S THE
STANDARD STORY OF THE PERSON
IN HAWAIʻI TODAY.
PEOPLE WHEN AT THE COME OUT OF
SCHOOL, REGARDLESS WHETHER
THEY HAVE THEIR DEGREE OR NOT,
WONDER WHERE AM I GOING TO
FIND A JOB THAT BRINGS ME ON
A JOB LADDER SO I’M
PROGRESSING UPWARDS IN THE
WORLD.
CONSTANTLY HEAR FROM STUDENTS
AN PEOPLE GRADUATING FIVE OR
SIX YEARS LATER.
WORRIED THERE’S NOT GOING TO
BE A JOB LADDER, NO REAL PLACE
I’M GOING WITH MY CAREER.
HAWAIʻI A TOUGH PLACE FOR
THAT.
MOSTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A
LIMITED NUMBER OF INDUSTRIES
AND LIMITED NUMBER OF JOB
PROSPECTS.
>>Daryl: STARTING TO GET
QUESTIONS ALREADY FROM JOHN
IN KANEOHE, COMMENT, HOUSING
COST, LOSING MORE LOCALS.
HAWAIʻI WILL NO LONGER BE
HAWAIʻI.
NEED TO MAKE CORRECTIONS.
WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR KEEP
LOCAL A RESIDENTS HERE?
GAP BETWEEN SUPERRICH AND
DESPERATELY POOR IN HAWAIʻI.
YOU SEE PEOPLE, YOU SEE
FAMILIES THROUGH YOUR JOB.
DO YOU SEE REAL DRAIN OF
PEOPLE, PEOPLE LEAVING,
CHOOSING TO RELIEVE KAUAI OR
IN YOUR OTHER CIRCLE?
>>AARON IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
PEOPLE BORN AND RAISED HERE,
WHO I CAN SEE BEING EXCELLENT
CLASSROOM TEACHER.
SUCH A DIFFICULT JOB FOR
REALLY WHAT IS NOT WORTH IT
FOR THE PAY.
EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE ON
PAPER WE MAKE GOOD DECENT
AMOUNT.
YOU CONSIDER THE COST OF
LIVING, SECOND FROM THE
BOTTOM HERE IN OUR STATE.
WE WOULD TEACHER SHORTAGE
CRISIS.
WE HAVE A THOUSAND CURRENT
OPEN POSITIONS WHICH MEANS
WE’VE GOT ABOUT 60,000
STUDENTS THAT ARE NOT EVEN,
NOT BEING TAUGHT BY A
QUALIFIED TEACHER SOME POINT
IN THEIR SCHOOL DAY.
IT’S DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO
TELL A STUDENT, YOU’RE GO TO
GO TO SCHOOL, WORK REALLY
HARD, GO TO COLLEGE, THEN NOT
QUITE SURE WHAT IS GOING TO
HAPPEN TO YOU AFTER.
I THINK OUR BIGGEST EXPORT
RIGHT NOW ISN’T PINEAPPLES.
IT’S OUR MOST EDUCATED
CHILDREN, MOVING TO THE
MAINLAND.
AND THEY KNOW THEY CAN FIND
BETTER OPPORTUNITY.
COST OF ONE BEDROOM STUDIO
APARTMENT IN HAWAIʻI, THEY
CAN GET A FIVE BEDROOM MANSION
ON THE MAINLAND.
SO WHY STAY HERE?
>>Daryl: ARE YOU TEMPTED TO GO
TO THE MAINLAND?
YOU’VE GOT A DAUGHTER HERE.
STAY CLOSE TO.
MUST BE VERY DIFFICULT.
>>YES.
ACTUALLY, I’VE THOUGHT ABOUT
MOVING AWAY.
I HAVE RELATIVES I’VE HAD TO
MOVE AWAY BECAUSE OF LIVING
SITUATION.
AND RISING COST OF LIVING
HERE.
I GUESS THE THING THAT KEEPS
ME HERE IS LIFE LIFTED HERE MY
WHOLE LIFE SO THIS IS ALL I
KNOW.
LITTLE BIT OF FEAR BEHIND IT.
NOT BEING TOTALLY SURE THAT
I’M GOING TO BE ABLE TO
SURVIVE ON THE MAINLAND BY
MYSELF.
WHEREAS YOU KNOW, I HAVE
PEOPLE THAT I CAN LEAN ON OVER
HERE.
MY FAMILY MEMBERS, MY
AUNTIES, UNCLES, MY MOM,
STEPDAD, MY SISTER, MY
BROTHER.
AND IF IT WASN’T FOR THESE
PEOPLE, I WOULDN’T KNOW WHAT
I WOULD BE DOING RIGHT NOW.
>>Daryl: WHAT ABOUT OTHER
FRIENDS OF YOURS, YOU’VE HAD
FRIENDS MOVE AWAY?
>>YES.
GOOD FRIEND MARK, HAD HE TO
MOVE AWAY BECAUSE HE COULDN’T
MAKE ENDS MEET HERE.
MY FRIEND CHRISTIAN WHO IS
ALSO EDUCATOR, HAD TO MOVE
AWAY BECAUSE HE JUST COULDN’T
SUPPORT HIS FAMILY.
LIVING ON THE BIG ISLAND RIGHT
NOW.
AND HE LOVES IT THERE.
>>Daryl: IS THERE INTERISLAND
MOVEMENT?
BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY TOO?
OR IS IT PRIMARILY TO THE
MAINLAND?
>>PRIMARILY TO THE MAINLAND.
THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES
NEIGHBOR ISLANDS, THEY’RE
MORE NARROW THAN THEY ARE
HERE.
IT’S PRIMARILY TOURISM ON
NEIGHBOR ISLANDS NOW.
IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE 1950S,
PRIMARILY AGRICULTURE.
NEIGHBOR ISLANDS MADE THE
SHIFT ON OVER.
NOT LOTS OF OTHER INDUSTRY
EMPLOYMENT THERE.
LITTLE BIT OF TECH ON MAUI.
LITTLE BIT OF TECH ON KAUAI.
NOT THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES ARE
NOT AS GOOD ON THE NEIGHBOR
ISLANDS AS ON OAHU.
MUCH BETTER ON OAHU.
>>Daryl: AARON, WHEN YOU,
WHAT ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE
WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND STUFF?
HAVE YOU LOST FRIENDS WHO
MOVED TO THE MAINLAND?
>>I HAVE HAD FRIENDS THAT GO
TO THE MAINLAND.
FRIENDS THAT ARE THINKING
ABOUT IT.
PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS YOU
HAVE WHEN YOU GO OUT TO
DINNER.
SOMETHING WE ALL TALK ABOUT
ALL THE TIME.
>>Daryl: ANY FRIENDS ACTUALLY
GO AND WHAT DO THEY TELL YOU
THEIR LIFE IS LIKE OVER THERE?
>>THEY LOVE T THEY SAID THEY
FOUND GREAT JOBS.
ARE ABLE TO FLY HOME AND
VISIT.
ONLY THING THEY COMPLAIN
ABOUT IS THE COST OF THE
TICKET TO COME VISIT.
SO THEY CAN’T DO IT AS OFTEN.
BIG HOMES.
ADJUSTED TO A DIFFERENT LIFE
UP THERE.
AND THING THEY MISS THE MOST
IS FAMILY.
BUT THEY SAY THEY COME HOME
ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.
EVERYBODY IS SO BUSY ANYWAY,
PEOPLE STOP AND MAKE TIME SO
SEE THEM.
WHEN THEY IT COME HOME.
>>Daryl: DIFFICULT.
>>I ONLY WANT IT NOTE THAT IF
YOU KNOCKED ON A HOUSE IN
SEATTLE, OR SAN FRANCISCO, OR
EVEN LOS ANGELES, OR SAN
DIEGO, AND ASK PEOPLE, ARE YOU
FACING A HIGH HOUSING COSTS?
THEY WOULD SAY, WE FACE REALLY
HIGH HOUSING COSTS.
I SHOULD NOTE THE HOUSE BEING
PRICES ARE ACTUALLY HOUSER IN
AS LONG AS THAN HERE.
HIGHER IN SAN FRANCISCO THAN
THEY ARE HERE.
SEATTLE, SEATTLE IS A BIT
BEHIND BUT SEATTLE HOUSING
PRICES HAVE ALMOST DOUBLED IN
RECENT YEARS.
RAPIDLY CATCHING UP.
IN MANY OF THOSE BIG CITY ON
THE WEST COAST, SAME TYPES OF
PROBLEM WES FEEL HERE WHERE
PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WE’RE
REALLY FACING PROBLEMS WITH
VERY HIGH HOUSING COSTS.
>>Daryl: YOU HEAR ALL FOUR OF
KNOWS CITYS ARE BETTER
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.
MUCH MORE DIVERSIFIED CITIES.
IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR TYPE
OF SKILL, MORE LIKELY TO FIND
INDUSTRY IN ONE OF THOSE BIG
CITIES ABLE TO USE THE SKILL.
RELATIVELY NARROW SET OF
INDUSTRIES.
TO USE SKILLS.
>>REASON WHY MY SISTER LIVES
IN SEATTLE, HER HUSBAND IS
ENGINEER AND THERE WAS SO MUCH
MORE OPPORTUNITIES THAN THERE
WOULD BE HERE.
MAKE TWICE MAYBE THREE TIMES
AS MUCH.
HOUSE IS MORE EXPENSIVE,
THEY’RE MAKING MORE MONEY.
>>Daryl: METRO AREAS ARE MUCH
BIGGER.
MORE CHOICES OF WHERE YOU CAN
LIVE.
TO MATCH YOUR INCOME.
>>THAT’S TRUE.
AGAIN, IF YOU TALK TO A SCHOOL
TEACH UNDER SAN FRANCISCO,
GET THE STORY OF USED TO BE
ABLE TO LIVE IN SAN FRANCISCO.
AND ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, HAD TO
MOVE OUT TO SUBWAY OUTSIDE OF
OAKLAND.
DRIVE HOUR 15 MINUTES.
NOW HOUR 45 MINUTES.
FURTHER AWAY.
LIFE IS A COMMUTING
NIGHTMARE.
I’M NOT TRYING TO TRIVIALIZE
THE PROBLEMS.
>>Daryl: I UNDERSTAND.
>>Guy: I AM NOTING THAT THIS
IS OF THERE’S A LITTLE BIT OF
BIG CITY PROBLEM WITH THE
UNITED STATES.
HERE, DIFFERENT THINGS.
THAN YOU HAVE ON THE WEST
COAST.
MOST OF THOSE CITIES ARE HIGH
HOUSING COSTS AND RELATIVELY
HIGH WAGES.
HERE, RELATIVELY LOW WAGES.
ONLY A COUPLE INDUSTRIES
WHERE WAGES ARE ABOVE THE
NATIONAL AVERAGE.
MAINLAND TOURIST INDUSTRY.
>>Daryl: HEAVILY UNIONIZED.
>>HEAVILY UNIONIZED ONE
REASON.
GET TO ANOTHER QUESTION HERE.
GOES TO KAMALANI’S LIFE.
WHAT CAN HAWAIʻI DO TO REDUCE
SERVICE JOBS SO DEPENDENT ON
MILITARY AND TOURISM, CAN
IMPROVING PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND
U.H. SYSTEM CREATE BETTER
JOBS?
YOU’RE THE CONSTRUCTION
INDUSTRY NOW.
>>THAT’S CORRECT.
>>Daryl: WHAT’S THAT LIKE?
GOOD FOR YOU NOW?
>>WELL, I WORK FOR LOCAL
DISTRIBUTER.
IT’S ALL BASED UPON THE TREND
OF EVERYTHING.
AND WHAT IS, WHAT IS BEING
BUILT, AND.
>>Daryl: HIGHRISES GOING UP
PROBABLY GOOD FOR YOUR
COMPANY.
>>YES. YES.
WHEN IT’S SLOW, YOU KNOW, I
MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE
MONEY — EXCUSE ME, LITTLE
BIT LESS MONEY.
WHEN IT’S BUSY, I MAKE A
LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.
>>Daryl: THEY SEND YOU HOME IF
THE HOURS ARE SHORT?
>>YEAH.
IF IT’S NOT BUSY, THEY WON’T
BE ABLE TO PAY ME.
>>Daryl: QUESTION.
INTERESTING.
WE TALK ABOUT INCOME
INEQUITY.
DO PANELS SUPPORT GUARANTEED
BASIC INCOME IN HAWAIʻI TO
PROTECT WORKERS FROM JOB LOSS
DUE TO AUTOMATION?
TWO QUESTIONS IN THERE.
ARE WE LOSING JOBS BECAUSE OF
AUTOMATION?
WE DON’T HAVE MUCH
MANUFACTURING.
>>WELL, I THINK AUTOMATION IS
SOMETHING THAT WEAR SEEING
EVERYWHERE.
WE’RE SEEING EVERIER.
JOBS SUBJECT TO AUTOMATION
JOBS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
INCOME SPECTRUM.
CAN YOU LOOK AT YOUR JOB, IF
SOMEONE SAYS CAN YOU DESCRIBE
IS THAT JOB, TART TO DESCRIBE
THE JOB IN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF
STEPS IT’S THAT’S A TYPE OF
JOB THAT CAN BE PROGRAMMED
COMPUTERIZED AND ROBOT COULD
START TO DO.
THE JOBS BOTTOM END OF THE JOB
DESCRIPTION, BOTTOM I MEAN
PAY THE LEAST, OFTENTIMES
THOSE ARE VERY LABOR
INTENSIVE SERVICE JOBS
DIFFICULT TO AUTOMATE.
JOBS AT THE UPPER END OF THE
DISTRIBUTION, REQUIRE A LOT
OF JUDGMENT, EXPERTISE,
KNOWLEDGE, ARE ALSO MORE
DIFFICULT TO
AUTOMATE.
IN THE MIDDLE, AN LIST JOBS,
PBS, DID A COUPLE OF
SPECIALIST REALLY FANTASTIC
SHOWING HOLLOWING OUT IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE JOB
DISTRIBUTION IN HAWAIʻI.
>>Daryl: DO YOU EMPLOY PEOPLE
IN YOUR BUSINESS?
>>UM-HUM.
>>Daryl: SO THIS IDEA OF
GUARANTEE BASIC INCOME, HOW
DO YOU DECIDE HOW MUCH CAN YOU
PAY PEOPLE?
>>HOW DO IDECIDE?
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IS ALWAYS
THE THING THEY AT THE FRONT.
PEOPLE LIKE ME WITH THE SAME
NEED, THAT’S OUR GOAL, MAKE
MORE, CUT COSTS TO HAVE A
GREATER PROFIT THAT WE CAN ALL
SPLIT AND SHARE IN.
THEN IT’S BY PERFORMANCE TOO.
SO I TRAY TRY TO GET EVERYBODY
INVOLVED.
A LOT ERR OTHER LOCAL
BUSINESSES ARE INVOLVED.
GIVE THE DECISION MAKING AND
OPPORTUNITYIES TO SOME OF
THEIR STAFF AND GAIN THEIR
TRUST.
IF WE CAN MAKE MORE, WE CAN
MAKE MORE.
PEOPLE COME TO THE TABLE WITH
IDEAS, WILLING TO PUT THE WORK
INTO IT REAP THE BENEFITS IF
YOU WANT A GUARANTEE, SMALL
BUSINESS IS NOT FOR YOU
BECAUSE NOTHING IS A
GUARANTEE.
YOU GOT TO COME IN, KNOWING
THAT WE ALL GOT TO WORK REALLY
HARD AND GET WHAT WAS NEEDED
OUT THERE AND IF NOBODY WANTS
IT, WE DON’T HAVE A JOB.
DON’T DO A GOOD JOB WE DON’T
HAVE A JOB.
>>Daryl: THERE WAS TALK IN THE
LAST LEGISLATURE, TALKED
ABOUT $15 MINIMUM WAGE.
BASIC GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME
IS NOT EXACTLY MINIMUM WAGE,
BUT IT WOULD BE SAY, OKAY,
THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO
LIVE HERE.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE GOVERNMENT
SHOULD INTERVENE IN THE LOW
WAGE CATEGORY AND GET
PEOPLE’S WAGES UP?
>>YES, I DO.
YES.
IT’S A STRUGGLE TO MAINTAIN A
PROPER LIVING IN HONOLULU,
AGAIN, I’VE BEEN THINKING
ABOUT MOVING AWAY BECAUSE I
DON’T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO
LIVE HERE.
>>Daryl: NOW, THERE’S A LOT OF
COMPELLING STORES WHICH HEARD
FROM OUR GUEST.
STORY ABOUT ONE PUT TOGETHER
BY HIKI NO STUDENTS IN BALDWIN
HIGH SCHOOL IN WAILUKU, MAUI.
>>SCHOOL, WORK, HOME, SLEEP,
REPEAT.
CHAD, JUNIOR AT HP BALDWIN
HIGH SCHOOL, FULL-TIME
STUDENT WITH A PART-TIME JOB
AT LOCAL PIZZARIA.
WHO ALSO FINDS TIME TO HELP
OUT FAMILY’S BAKERY.
HE BEGAN WORKING TO REPAY HIS
GRANDMOTHER FOR THE CAR HE USE
TO THE MAKE DELIVERIES
SOMETIMES HAS TO USE EARNINGS
TO HELP WITH FAMILY EXPENSES.
>>STRUGGLING ON TOP OF RENT.
PARENTS HAD A FLAT TIRE.
NEEDED TO BUY A NEW TIRES.
I HAD 400 IN CASH ON ME PAY MY
GRANDMA.
WITH.
GAVE TO THEM BECAUSE THEY
NEEDED NEW TIRES.
BEHIND ON RENT.
CABLE NEEDED TO BE PAID.
ENDED UP GIVING THEM ANOTHER
$800 TO SUPPORT THAT.
>>ALONG WITH LOSS OF FREE
TIME, TAKING ON ADDITIONAL
JOBS TAKING A O TOLL ON THE
STUDENT’S MENTAL ADD PHYSICAL
HEALTH.
COUNSELOR AT BALDWIN HIGH
SCHOOL, I SEE MY STUDENTS
TAKING ON THE
RESPONSIBILITIES OF HAVING
OUTSIDE OF JOBS, OUTSIDE OF
SCHOOLS TO HELP THEIR
FAMILIES TO BRING DOWN COSTS
OF LIVING HERE IN HAWAIʻI.
SO SOME OF THEM TAKE THE
WEIGHT ON OF HAVING EXTRA JOB
AND ALSO THE BURDEN OF THEIR
FAMILY IS NOT HAVING MONEY AND
PLAYS OUT IN DIFFERENT ROLES
WHERE THEY MAY BE SUFFERING
FROM DEPRESSION OR ANXIETY IN
SCHOOL.
>>HE HAS BEEN A LITTLE LIKE
MORE SAD IN HIS EYES.
NOT GOOD.
FALL AS SLEEP RIGHT WHEN I SEE
HIM HOME.
>>I’M BARELY AROUND HIM ANY
MORE.
SOMETIMES HE TAKES ME OUT WITH
HIS CAR.
WE GO PLACES.
>>THERE’S BEEN CHANGE.
BECAUSE HE’S BEEN STRESSED.
I’VE TALK TO DO HIM TIME TIMES
ABOUT IT. WE’VE HAD OUR
TALKS.
I UNDERSTAND HE’S STRESSED
OUT AND EVERYTHING.
ALL YOU HAVE HIS STRUGGLE.
DEALS WITH A LOT OF STUFF.
DESPITE THE STRUGGLES, CHAZ
REMAINS OPTIMISTIC,
DETERMINED TO FINANCE HIS
FAMILY AND HIS FUTURE.
WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT LIVES.
WE’RE ALL HAVE TO HAVE THAT
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE
TO DO.
SO I MEAN, MINE IS ONLY REALLY
DIFFERS FROM JUST MY
PERSPECTIVE IN THE WAY I SEE
IT.
HE IS A CHAMP.
GOES THROUGH IT AND STILL GOES
TO WORK EVERY DAY.
HAS TO GO PRETTY SOON.
I MEAN, HE’S A WARRIOR.
>>THIS IS SKYLER, FROM HP
BALDWIN HIGH SCHOOL, FOR HIKI
NO.
>>Daryl: THAT SETS YOU UP FOR
A QUESTION.
YOU’RE BOTH A TEACHER AT
MIDDLE SCHOOL AND TEACH UNDER
COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
DO YOU SEE, IS THAT A COMMON
THING YOU SEE?
WHERE YOU’VE GOT KIDS WORKING
JOB IS NOT JUST FOR THEMSELVES
BUT TO HELP THEIR FAMILIES?
>>DEFINITELY.
IT’S NOT ENOUGH TO HAVE TWO OR
THREE JOBS AS A PARENT TO BE
ABLE TO SUPPORT YOUR CHILD.
NOW, IF THAT STUDENT WANTS TO
BE ABLE TO HELP LIVE IN THE
HOUSE, THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE
TO WORK TOO.
I HAVE A BAND CALLED KAUAI
ISLAND BAND.
STUDENTS FROM ALL THE
DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF PUT THEM
TOGETHER TO TRAVEL.
NOT ONLY ARE THINK WORKING
MULTIPLE JOBS AND HAVE TO BE
FLEXIBLE SAY, YOU CAN MISSED
SECOND HALF OF REHEARSAL
BECAUSE I KNOW YOU’VE GOT TO
WOULD WORK AT BURGER KING OR
WHEREVER YOU END UP YOU
WORKING.
WE HAVE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF
THAT AS TEACHERS.
BECAUSE STUDENTS ARE
STRUGGLING.
KAUAI COMMUNITY COLLEGE JUST,
FOOD BANK ON KAUAI JUST OPENED
UP PANTRY FOR STUDENTS
BECAUSE THEY NEEDED ACCESS TO
FOOD.
>>Daryl: ON CAMPUS.
>>ON CAMPUS.
SO JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE
OF — WE HAVE FOOD DELIVERED
FROM THE FOOD BANK TO OUR
SCHOOL TOO.
FAMILIES ARE REALLY
STRUGGLING.
AND THE ULTIMATELY, IF THE
PARENTS ARE STRUGGLING,
STUDENTS ARE STRUGGLING,
MEANS THAT THE TEACHERS HAVE
TO INTERVENE AND HELP OUT.
BUT TEACHERS ARE PARENTS TOO.
BIG CYCLICAL THING OF
EVERYONE IS STRUGGLING TRYING
TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND HOPING
THAT IT WILL ALL WORK OUT IN
THE END.
WE JUST KEEP TELLING OUR
STUDENTS WORK HARD, GO TO
SCHOOL, MAKE SURE THAT YOU’RE
GETTING GOOD GRADES AND FIND
WHATEVER YOU’RE PASSION IS SO
YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER LIFE.
THAT’S WHAT WE HOPE FOR.
>>Daryl: THAT STORY WAS ABOUT
THE FATIGUE, EXHAUSTION, ON A
KID WHO SHOULD BE LIVING THE
MOST EXCITING FUN TIME OF HIS
LIFE.
MUST BE HARD FOR YOU TO SEE
THAT.
>>IT WAS HEART WRENCHING.
THE SAD, I THINK WHAT’S EVEN
MORE SAD IS THAT’S NOT NEW.
SITTING HERE WATCHING THIS AS
A TEACHER, GOING, I CAN NAME
12 OTHER KIDS WHO ARE DOING
SIMILAR THINGS.
I CAN TELL YOU THE KIDS THAT
I HAVE TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW,
TEACHER SPENDS MONEY OUT OF
THEIR POCKETS.
250, $500,000, HALF OF OUR
TEACHERS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
PUTTING INTO THE CLASSROOM.
AS A TEACHER, CAN’T SEE
STUDENT CAN’T GO A FIELD TRIP.
I’LL PUT IN 3 BUCKS.
PICKED UP EXTRA SLIPPERS.
HERE’S SOME SLIPPERS.
TEACHERS ARE CONSTANTLY
MAKING SURE THEIR STUDENTS
ARE OKAY.
BECAUSE WE OPEN SEE THEM FROM
7:45 TO 2:00, MAYBE 2:45 EVERY
DAY.
WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT
HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL
DAY.
WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE
SURE THEY’RE GOING TO BE
SUCCESSFUL, EVEN IF IT’S
SLIPPING A COUPLE OF GRANOLA
BARS, CAN’T AFFORD TO EAT,
HAVE TO DO.
>>Daryl: THANK YOU.
YOU WERE A TEACHER FEW YEARS
AGO.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE FOR YOU?
>>EXACTLY HOW SHOW DESCRIBED
IT.
GET IT EARLY POSSIBLE,
RELIEVE AS LATE AS POSSIBLE.
DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR THE
KIDS.
>>Daryl: YOU HAVE THE BLUE
COLLAR LIFESTYLE.
SEE PEOPLE STRUGGLING.
DO YOU SEE PEOPLE IN YOUR
WORLD GOING THROUGH THIS KIND
OF STUFF TOO?
ESPECIALLY PARENTS?
>>YEAH.
ABSOLUTELY.
EVERYBODY STRUGGLING.
VERY REAL THING.
AND WE NEED TO FIND THE
SOLUTION FOR THIS PROBLEM.
IT’S LONG OVERDUE.
AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE
GOING TO DO.
MAYBE SUMNER.
>>Daryl: WE SET IT UP FOR YOU.
SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS.
>>FAVORITE QUESTION.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT ANY STATE HAS
TO DO, PARTICULARLY TRUE FOR
HAWAIʻI, FOCUS ON THE BASICS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BASICS IN
THIS STATE, LOOKING AT THINGS
LIKE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
AND WE’VE HAD THE PROBLEM OF
INTENSE TRAFFIC.
I DON’T MEAN TO GET AWAY FROM
THE HUMAN POINT HERE.
PROBLEM MUCH REALLY INTENSE
TRAFFIC FOR A LONG TIME.
THERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS.
>>Daryl: I CRY IN TRAFFIC ALL
TIME.
>>STUFF CAN BE DONE.
NOT DOING IT.
IT’S REALLY BASIC THING THAT
WOULD IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF
LIFE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE
IF WE STARTED TO DEAL WITH IT
MORE SERIOUSLY.
WE’RE NOT.
SCHOOL SYSTEM IS BASIC THING.
AMOUNT OF EFFORT PUT FORTH TO
TRY TO REFORM AND IMPROVE
PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS QUITE
LARGE.
NOT AS IF PEOPLE HAVEN’T
TRIED.
ENORMOUSLY DEDICATED PEOPLE,
BOARD OF EDUCATION,
INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS,
TEACHERS, PUT IN THE EXTRA
MILE TRYING TO IMPROVE PUBLIC
SCHOOL SYSTEM HERE.
STILL HAS A WAYS TO GO.
I THINK THAT AT TIMES WE GET
DIVERTED BY WHAT I THINK TURNS
OUT TO BE RELATIVELY MANINI
THINGS.
SMALLEST THINGS THAT WE COULD
PAY LITTLE BIT LESS ATTENTION
TO.
MAKE SURE WE FOCUS IN ON THE
BASICS.
THINGS LIKE EDUCATION DRIVE
PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THEIR
ENTIRE LIFE.
EDUCATE THE WORKFORCE IS WHAT
MADE THINGS GO.
HAD TO NAME A THIRD BASIC
SETTING THE BUSINESS
ENVIRONMENT.
PEOPLE FEEL THEY CAN START A
NEW BUSINESS AND THERE’S SOME
CHANCE OF BEING SUCCESSFUL IN
NEW BUSINESS AND STATE IS NOT
A IMPEDIMENT TO THAT.
PROBLEMMING DEALS WITH
REGULATORY BURDEN BUSINESSES
FACE.
QUITE LARGE.
IT’S SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT
ALL THE TIME.
WE MADE EFFORTS TO TRY TO
REDUCE IT AND YET, THERE’S
CERTAIN THINGS LIKE GETTING A
BUILDING PERMIT AT CITY HALL.
STILL CONTINUE.
I LOOK AT THESE THREE THINGS.
IMPROVING TRANSPORTATION AT
WORK.
SCHOOLS.
MAKING SURE WE HAVE A BETTER
BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.
CAN ALL GET TOGETHER.
BETTER BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT
WOULD LEAD TO MORE
BUSINESSES.
MORE BUSINESSES LEAD TO
BETTER WAGES.
BETTER TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM
HERE.
MAKE LIFE A LOT BETTER FOR
PEOPLE.
EDUCATION IS JUST THE
FOUNDATION OF SOCIETY.
WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ARE
MOVING OR NOT, IT’S REALLY
JUST ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.
CHILDREN OF HAWAIʻI RECEIVE
EARLY GREAT EDUCATION.
I THINK WE’RE MOVING IN THESE
DIRECTIONS BUT IN ALL THREE
AREAS, TOO SLOWLY.
THESE ARE LONGSTANDING
PROBLEMS THAT WE’RE JUST NOT
PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO.
>>Daryl: WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM FROM THE
TEACHER POINT OF VIEW, OTHER
THAN THAT WAGES FOR TEACHERS,
THERE ARE MANY, MANY
DEDICATED TEACHERS HERE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SYSTEM,
WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE
BETTER?
I’M ASKING YOU WHAT SHOULD YOU
BE TEACHING OR WHAT SHOULD THE
SCHOOLS BE TEACHING THAT
THEY’RE NOT TEACHING?
I GOT ONE QUESTION HERE ONE
SOMEONE SAYS, A.
I IS GOING TO TAKE UP 50% OF
THE JOBS.
AI GOING TO BE TAKE UP 50% OF
THE JOBS.
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
DO YOU FEEL THE KIDS ARE GOING
TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT KIND
OF ECONOMY GIVEN WHAT THEY’RE
TAUGHT.
>>NO IDEA WHAT TYPE OF JOB
WE’RE PREPARING OUR STUDENTS
FOR.
MYSELF AND THE VAST MAJORITY
OF MY COLLEAGUES I WORK WITH
AND THROUGH HSTA, LOTS OF
FANTASTIC TEACHERS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE, WE ARE
NOT TEACHING THEM JUST BASICS
OF READING AND WRITING.
TEACHING THEM HOW TO THINK.
WE NEED THEM TO BE ABLE TO
ADJUST AND ADAPT.
ONE OF THINGS I’M HEARING WITH
THE GROUP IS THAT HAWAIʻI
PEOPLE ARE RESILIENT.
YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING
TO HAPPEN.
DON’T KNOW THE WAY OF THE
ECONOMY IS GOING TO GO.
SO TIED TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY
COMING IN FROM TOURISM.
JUST HAVE TO BE RESILIENT AND
MAKE DUE.
AND SO WE DON’T KNOW WHAT
WE’RE PREPARING OUR STUDENTS
FOR.
WE DO KNOW WE’RE PREPARING
THEM TO BE THINKERS,
CREATIVE, I KNOW MYSELF AS A
BAND DIRECTOR, I AM, IT
DOESN’T MATTER FOR ME THAT
THEY DON’T EVER PLAY THEIR
INSTRUMENT AFTER THEY
GRADUATE FROM MIDDLE SCHOOL
OR HIGH SCHOOL.
THAT’S NOT THE PURPOSE OF MY
SUBJECT.
SUBJECT I TEACH IS HOW TO WORK
HARD, WORK WITH OTHERS, HOW TO
MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN
PROBLEM SOLVE AND GET THAT
INSTRUMENT AND MAKE IT
ACTUALLY SOUND LIKE MUSIC.
>>Daryl: DISCIPLINED.
>>THAT’S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF
WHAT I TEACH IS.
JUST HAPPENS TO BE MUSIC AS
THE DISCIPLINE.
SO WE REALLY HOPE, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
WE CAN PREPARE THEM.
>>Daryl: MY DAUGHTER WENT
THROUGH IT.
I DON’T KNOW THAT SHE’S PICKED
UP HER INSTRUMENT SINCE SHE
LEFT.
DID HER A LOT OF GOOD.
MY SON FINISHED COLLEGE.
BUT HE’S IN MISSISSIPPI.
I’M LIVING EXACTLY WHAT YOU
GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT.
WE ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE A
FAMILY THAT COULD AFFORD TO
SEND KIDS AWAY TO COLLEGE.
JUST BLESSED.
I CAN JUST SEE ARE THEY GOING
TO COME BACK, THEIR JOBS HERE
FOR THEM?
ARE THERE JOBS HERE FOR THEM?
WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR LIFE.
LET’S TALK ABOUT HOUSING.
YOU’VE GOT A SMALL BUSINESS.
WORK HARD.
WHAT YOUR HOUSING SITUATION?
IN CAN YOU AFFORD THE KIND OF
HOUSE YOU WANT?
>>WELL, YEAH, MY HOUSE IS MY
BUSINESS.
WANTED TO LIVE OVER THERE.
SO I MADE THE BUSINESS THERE.
IS YOUR BUSINESS OPERATING
OUT OF YOUR HOUSE?
>>NO.
WE JOKE.
BEGINNING WE WOULD BE THERE
FOR LIKE 14 HOURS. MY
HUSBAND AND I.
SLEPT ON THE FLOOR.
NOT THE FLOOR, IT’S BENCH.
WOODEN BENCH THAT WE SLEPT ON.
>>Daryl: YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND
OPERATE THE BUSINESS?
>>NO HELPING ME OUT AFTER
FULL-TIME JOB TO GET THE
BUSINESS OFF THE GROUND.
DISCUSSION WE HAD TO HAVE
TOGETHER AS A FAMILY, THERE
WOULD BE SACRIFICE.
VERY UNCERTAIN.
WHAT WOULD COME WITH STARTING
A BUSINESS.
WHAT WERE THE PERSONAL
SACRIFICES WILLING TO MAKE.
KNOWING THAT IF WE MADE
ANYTHING, CAN WOULD GO BACK
INTO THE BUSINESS.
HOW LONG COULD WE DO THAT FOR?
SO WE OPTED TO LIVE WITH
FAMILY.
>>Daryl: WERE YOU LIVWITH
FAMILY?
YES.
>>YES.
>>Daryl: TWO CHILDREN IN
PRESCHOOL.
>>YES.
>>Daryl: HOW DOES THAT AFFECT
YOUR ABILITY TO BUY A HOUSE?
>>I DON’T KNOW.
THAT SACRIFICE WE MADE WAS WE
WEREN’T — I WASN’T GOING TO
HAVE THE DREAM HOME THAT I
THOUGHT WOULD BE MY OWN HOME.
WITH MY OWN PORCH AND GRASS.
THAT KIND OF —
>>Daryl: MY OWN GRASS.
>>THE FENCE AND THE THINGS
THAT I ENVISIONED.
KIDS WE HAD TO TALK ABOUT IT
FIRST.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE KIDS OR
NOT BECAUSE KIDS COST THIS
MUCH TO HAVE.
ARE WE GOING IS TO HAVE TWO OR
CLOSE OR TRY TO TIME IT SO ONE
IS IN KINDERGARTEN WHEN THE
OTHER ONE IS PRESCHOOL.
I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL THE
KINDS OF REAL DISCUSSIONS
WE’VE HAD.
WE HAVE WITH FRIENDS NOW.
ADVICE WE SHARE WITH EACH
OTHER BECAUSE WE SACRIFICED
FOR THE KIDS GO TO PRESCHOOL.
>>Daryl: WHEN YOU LOOK FOR
HOUSING, AROUND YOU DECIDED
ULTIMATELY TO LIVE WITH YOUR
MOM AND YOUR STEPFATHER, WHAT
CHOICES DO YOU HAVE OUT THERE
FOR HOUSING?
HAVE YOU LOOKED?
WHAT KIND OF CHOICES ARE THERE
OUT THERE FOR YOU?
>>YOU KNOW, I DON’T MAKE
GREAT MONEY.
SO THERE AREN’T VERY MANY
OPTIONS FOR ME.
I’VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE.
I’VE LIVED WITH FAMILY AND
FRIENDS FOR THE MAJORITY OF
MY LIFE.
LIVED WITH FAMILY FRIENDS.
BECAUSE MY BLESSINGS, ABLE TO
HAVE A ROOF OVER MY HEAD.
>>Daryl: YOU REALLY SHOULDN’T
EVEN SHOPPED?
OKAY, MAYBE YOU MADE THAT
CHOICE BECAUSE IT WAS $1,200
FOR A STUDIO APARTMENT.
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT’S BASICALLY DIDN’T
EVEN HAVE ANY HOPE.
FINDING A PLACE YOU WOULD LIKE
TO LIVE.
>>THAT’S CORRECT.
WHEN I DID LOOK, THERE WAS
NOTHING, THERE WAS NOTHING.
>>Daryl: WHERE ARE YOU WITH
OUR HOUSING SITUATION?
AND WHERE DO WE HAVE TO DO
ABOUT THAT?
>>SPLIT THE MARKET INTO TWO.
HOUSES AND CONDOS.
LOOK AT HOUSES, TALKING ON
OAHU, LAST PRICE, 780, GONE UP
OVER 800,000.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MEDIAN
FAMILY INCOME ON OAHU, YOU ASK
COULD THAT EARN P BUY A HOUSE,
ONLY 70% OF THE INCOME TO MEET
THE MORTGAGE PAYMENTS, THEY
NEED ANOTHER 50% MORE INCOME.
ONLY ONE-THIRD THAT CAN
AFFORD TO PURCHASE A HOME.
IN HAWAIʻI.
AND A POINT WHERE WE’RE NOT
GOING TO BUILD ANY MORE HOMES.
VOCIFEROUS OPPOSITION TO
BUILDING.
TWO BIG DEVELOPMENTS.
KOA RIDGE AND MILILANI.
THERE’S NOT ONE HO’OPILI, OUT
BY, OUT IN EWA, KAPOLEI.
OUTSIDE OF THOSE, DON’T
REALLY SEE ANY MORE BIG
HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS COMING
HERE ON OAHU.
FIXED SUPPLY OF HOUSING.
INTERNATIONAL DEMAND FOR THE
HOUSING.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO NOW ABLE
TO TELECOMMUTE, ABLE TO MOVE
HERE AND BUY THE HOUSING
STOCK, WHEN WE START BEING AT
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I DON’T
SEE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BEING
AFFORDABLE.
MOVES US TO CONDOS.
THERE THE POTENTIAL TO BUILD
UP.
ENDLESS SITES PARTICULARLY
ALONG THE TRAIN.
TRAINS ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
ENDLESS SITES OWNED BY THE
STATE, CITY AND PRIVATE
PROPERTY OWNERS IT’S THAT
COULD BE DEVELOPED INTO
HOUSING.
THAT COULD PUT A SIGNIFICANT
DENT INTO THE HOUSING CRISIS.
>>Daryl: WE MENTIONED
SOMETHING TO SARAH.
YOU WERE HERE, ON KAUAI, HAD
THE KAUAI MAYOR HERE.
FEW SHOWS AGO.
AND HE WAS VERY GUNG HO ABOUT
TAKING A COUPLE OF PARKS
BECAUSE THEY HAD A
REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU BUILD
A SUBDIVISION, YOU HAD TO
BUILD A PARK.
HE SAID, THERE’S PLACES WHERE
THEY’VE GOT ALL OF THESE
PARKS.
AND NOT ENOUGH HOUSES.
I’M GOING TO TAKE ONE OF THOSE
PARKS AND I’M GOING TO PUT
HOUSES ON IT.
AND IT GOT SHOT DOWN LIKE
THAT.
ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS PEOPLE
ARE MAKING IS SCHOOL
PROPERTIES.
PARTS OF SCHOOL PROPERTIES.
>>STANLEY CHANG, SENATOR,
ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT BUILDING
HUGE HIGHRISES ON MCKINLEY
HIGH SCHOOL.
THE PROPERTY.
BUILD THEM NICE NEW SCHOOL
ALONG WITH THE HIGHRISES.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, HOW DO YOU
THINK PEOPLE WILL RESPOND
WHEN KIND OF STUFF COMES IN
FRONT OF THEM?
HOW FRUSTRATING IS IT FOR YOU
IN YOUR $1,300 IMAGINE MOVED
UP FROM THERE, WHERE YOU’RE
LIVING?
>>WELL, NO MATTER HOW MUCH
INVENTORY IS AVAILABLE, HOW
IS ANYBODY WITH THE HIGH COST
OF RENT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
SAVE UP A DOWN PAYMENT TO EVEN
CONSIDER IT?
WE HAD DEVELOPMENT ON KAUAI
RIGHT NEAR THE AIRPORT THAT
WAS CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE
HOUSING ONLY AVAILABLE TO
LOCAL RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO
PURCHASE FOR PROBABLY 2
YEARS.
AND I THINK THE CHEAPEST HOME
WAS SOMETHING LIKE $550,000.
REASONABLE.
CONSIDERING.
BUT THEY HAD TO END UP OPENING
UP THE MARKET TO ANYBODY.
NOT JUST FIRST HOMEOWNERS AND
ET CETERA BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T
HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY THE
HOMES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER
THAT.
>>I THINK DOWN PAYMENTS ARE
THE BIG PROBLEM.
IF YOU ACTUALLY
START — FOCUSING ON THE
MEDIAN FAMILY.
ALWAYS FAMILY BELOW THAT
CAN’T AFFORD.
IF YOU LOOK AT DOES THE FAMILY
IN HAWAIʻI WITH THE MEDIAN
FAMILY INCOME, DO THEY HAVE
ENOUGH MONEY TO SERVICE THE
MORTGAGE FOR A CONDOMINIUM
AND PAY THE MAINTENANCE FEE?
THE ANSWER IS YES.
ABOUT 140% OF WHAT’S
REQUIRED.
MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY.
DIG DEEPER, DON’T HAVE THE
DOWN PAYMENT.
SUPPOSE WE TAKE LIKE THAT
CONDO IS $400,000.
10% DOWN PAYMENT.
TYPICALLY ABOUT 7 TO 10%.
ON A LOT OF THESE FIRST TIME
HOME BUYERS.
10% DOWN PAYMENT WOULD BE
$40,000 SAVINGS.
AGAIN, SOME PEOPLE LUCKY
ENOUGH TO HAVE PARENTS THAT
HAVE MONEY AND SOME OF THAT
MONEY CAN BE OVER TO THEM AND
FINDS EASY TO GET IN.
ONCE YOU’RE IN, SET UP.
MOVE ON FROM THIS.
PEOPLE HAVE DIFFICULTY
ACCUMULATING DOWN PAYMENTS,
LARGE NUMBER, DIFFICULTY
GETTING ACCESS TO PURCHASING
A HOME.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THE
STATE NEEDS TO LOOK AT MUCH
MORE CLOSELY.
IT’S NOT JUST A MATTER OF
BUILDING MORE.
PART OF IT TOO IS BUILDING
MORE, BUILDING MORE UNITS IN
THE RANGE THAT ARE PRICED IN
THE RANGE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO
BE IN.
WHAT THAT REQUIRES IS
BUILDING MORE STRIPPED DOWN
UNITS.
UNITS THAT ARE NOT QUITE AS
FANCY.
DON’T HAVE A POOL.
OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING ISN’T
QUITE AS GOOD LOOKING, MAYBE
THERE’S NOT A LANAI.
UNIT THAT IS WELL BUILT.
AND PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO BE
IN.
>>Daryl: WE’VE GOT A QUESTION
HERE THAT I THINK IS INTEREST.
MOST PEOPLE OPPOSE MONSTER
HOMES, ISN’T THAT A SOLUTION
FOR THE HOUSING CRISIS?
ARE WE OVERREACTING TO PEOPLE
WHO JUST WANT TO BUILD
HOUSING?
YOU’RE IN PALOLO, RIGHT?
MONSTER HOMES IN PALOLO.
>>YES, THERE ARE.
>>Daryl: WHEN YOU SEE THEM, DO
YOU THINK, OH, THEY MADE A
HOUSING SOLUTION OR DO YOU
THINK THAT’S SOME OUTSIDE
DEVELOPER COMING IN AND
TAKING HOUSING AWAY FROM
LOCAL PEOPLE?
>>FAMILY STICKS TOGETHER.
THAT IS THE THAT THE NUMBER
ONE IN HAWAIʻI.
OHANA MEANS EVERYTHING.
AND THAT’S HOW WE’RE ABLE TO
SURVIVE.
>>Daryl: PEOPLE BUILD BIG
HOUSE, YOU SUSPECTED THAT’S A
NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE
SAME FAMILY LIVING IN THAT BIG
HOUSE?
>>ASSUMING.
>>Daryl: MANOA, RIGHT?
SOME MONSTER HOMES?
WE ALWAYS HEAR FROM PEOPLE IN
MANOA ABOUT MONSTER HOMES.
>>KAIMUKI.
>>Daryl: DO YOU THINK, IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD YOU’RE LIVING
IN, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF ALL
OF A SUDDEN, A LOT MORE OF THE
PROPERTIES GOT A LITTLE MORE
DENSE?
>>I THINK THE ONLY CONCERN IS
THE NOT — I LOOK AT THAT AS
SAYING PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY CAN DO.
HOW CAN THEY SHARE THEIR
RESOURCES, HOW CAN FAMILY,
BLESSED SAME WAY.
I HAVE FAMILY THAT HAVE
SUPPORTED US.
SO I DON’T REALLY LOOK AT
THAT.
IT’S NOT A, TO ME, CATEGORIZED
AS MONSTER HOME ISSUE.
IT’S MORE OF RESPECT ISSUE.
WITH WHO IS LIVING THE HOUSE
AND HOW ARE YOU TREATING YOUR
NEIGHBORS, WHETHER YOU’RE IN
A MONSTER HOUSE OR SINGLE
FAMILY HOUSE OR CONDOMINIUM.
HOW YOU INTERACT WITH PEOPLE.
OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOME MUCH AND
WHEN YOU’RE IN YOUR HOME AND
RESPECTING PEOPLE.
NOISE YOU MAKE OR THE THINGS
THAT YOU DO.
THAT’S WHAT MATTERS MORE.
IN MY PERSPECTIVE.
THAN THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE.
OR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN
THERE.
LUCKILY PEOPLE WORKING 2 OR 3
JOB, NEVER HOME ANYWAY.
>>Daryl: RIGHT.
SHIRLEY AT 20 YEAR SCHOOL
TEACHER FROM KAPOLEI.
WHETHER WILL IT GET BETTER SO
TEACHERS WILL HAVE TO AFFORD
A HOME NOT HAVE TO WORK 2 OR
3 JOBS.
TURN THIS QUESTION BACK TO
THIS IDEA OF HOUSING AT
SCHOOL.
DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD
HELP IF THE SCHOOLS STARTED
PROVIDING HOUSING FOR
TEACHERS?
>>THERE’S DEFINITELY
POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO BE IN
ASSISTANCE TO TEACHERS.
I SEE THAT MORE OF ASSISTANCE
TO TEACHERS FIRST COMING INTO
THE PROFESSION.
THAT’S THE REAL BIG STRUGGLE.
ONCE YOU HAVE A FAMILY, KIDS,
OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES, WE
ALREADY SPEND MORE TIME AT
SCHOOL THAN WHAT IS
CONTRACTUALLY WHAT WE’RE
SUPPOSED O TO DO.
I CAN SEE IT BEING DIFFICULT.
I DON’T EVEN LIVE IN MY HOUSE
PRACTICALLY.
I’M ALWAYS IN THE BAND ROOM.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT MY CAR
LOOKS LIKE SO THEY TEXT ME,
WHY ARE YOU AT SCHOOL STILL?
KIND OF THING.
BECAUSE WE JUST DO WHAT WE CAN
FOR THE STUDENTS.
AND I COULD SEE TEACHERS WANT
TO GO LIVE ON CAMPUS.
BUT I THINK LOT MORE TEACHERS
WOULD BE ABLE TO COMFORTABLY
AFFORD TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A
NICE PLACE TO LIVE IN.
>>Daryl: INCORPORATE TRADES
INTO THE CURRICULUM SO
STUDENTS CAN PROVIDE FOR
THEMSELVES UPON GRADUATING?
WHAT DO YOU FOLKS THINK ABOUT
THAT?
AT THE SAME TIME, ALWAYS
HEARING YOU GOT TO GET THAT
COLLEGE DEGREE.
THAT’S THE PATH TO SUCCESS.
MAYBE WE SHOULD CAPITULATE TO
THE ECONOMY.
CONSTRUCT AND ALL OF THAT.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A WIDE
VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT
KIDS CAN CHOOSE FROM.
TRYING TO PUSH KIDS DOWN
PARTICULAR TRACKS ISN’T
NECESSARILY RIGHT.
USEFUL TO THINK THAT WE DO
NEED ELECTRICIANS.
AND PLUMBERS IN THE
CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.
EVEN TODAY, THAT CAN STILL
SOMETIMES REQUIRE
COMMUNITIES COLLEGE DEGREE.
A LOT OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES
OFFER MORE VOCATIONAL THINGS.
THE NUMBER ONE THING WE HAVE
TO DO AS EDUCATORS IS TO OFFER
VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO
STUDENTS.
SO THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY’RE
INTERESTED IN.
DO WHAT THEY’RE INTERESTED
IN, THEY’RE GOING TO LEARN.
IT’S NOT JUST ENOUGH TO LEARN.
IT’S ALSO THEY ALSO HAVE TO
PICK UP VARIETY OF SKILLS.
BEING ABLE TO PICK UP VARIETY
OF SKILLS, GIVES YOU
CONFIDENCE TO PICK UP MORE
SKILLS.
SKILLS YOU LEARN TODAY WON’T
NECESSARILY THE SKILLS YOU
NEED TO TOMORROW.
GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE ON.
IF YOU LEARN A COMPUTER
LANGUAGE TODAY, THE ONE THAT
YOUR JOB WILL PROBABLY NEED IS
SOMETHING ELSE.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS LEARN
HOW TO LEARN COMPUTER
LANGUAGES.
OR YOU COULD REALLY PUT THAT
OFF ON ALMOST EVERY OTHER
THINGER THAT NEEDS DONE DO
WHAT THEY’RE INTERESTED IN
AND PICK UP SOME SKILLS THAT
ARE USEFUL.
>>Daryl: CONCEPT WE’VE GOT
QUITE A FEW CALL.
GETTING A THE LOT OF CALLS.
THANKS FOLKS.
GOVERNING BODIES AND COUNTIES
LOOKING OUT FOR THEMSELVES
AND DEVELOPERS.
MAKE RULES AND LAWS THEY
PROFIT FROM.
OPENING UP SMALL BUSINESS IS
NOT WORTH IT.
30% TAX SHOULD BE EXEMPT FOR
3 YEARS. I DON’T KNOW WHAT
THE 30% TAX IS.
BUILDING OFF THE GRID IN THE
BIG ISLAND ONLY AFFORDABLE
PLACE YOU CAN DO THAT.
ISSUE IS NOT LOW WAGES.
THE ISSUE IS HIGH TAXES.
HOW MUCH IS OUR GOVERNMENT A
PROBLEM?
ASK YOU, DO YOU PAY A LOT IN
TAXES? I DO.
WE’VE HAD 4% ON EVERYTHING WE
BUY.
FOLKS HAVE LOW INCOMES, ARE
PAYING MORE TAXES ON DOLLAR
THAN PEOPLE WITH HIGHER
INCOMES.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK IS THIS
IS THE GOVERNMENT IN YOUR WAY?
GOT OUT OF THE WAY, THINK
GOVERNMENT IS THE ANSWER TO
THESE THINGS?
I WANT TO ASK AARON AND SARAH
THIS FIRST.
THEN LET SUMNER GO.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
SMALL BUSINESS PERSON, DO YOU
FEEL LIKE YOU HAD GO THROUGH
AN AWFUL LOT TO GET YOUR
BUSINESS GOING, WAY MORE THAN
YOU SHOULD HAVE?
, I FEEL LIKE IT DOES TAKE A
LOT.
I DON’T FEEL LIKE MY STORY IS
THAT UNIQUE.
STARTINT A BUSINESS OR
TEACHER OR JUMPING JOBS
EVERYBODY IS GOING THROUGH
THE SAME THING.
WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE?
REALLY IS, WHAT IS IT GOING TO
TAKE?
I DON’T THINK I STOP TO, YOU
DON’T HAVE THE TIME TO STOP
AND POINT FINGERS BECAUSE IT
DOESN’T REALLY DO ANYTHING.
SO I’M KIND OF JUST HERE TO BE
PART OF THE SOLUTION TOO.
>>Daryl: PROBABLY NEEDED,
SELLING FOOD.
YOU NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THE
HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
IN A SEMI COMMERCIAL DISTRICT
HAD TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING
DEPARTMENT.
YOU’RE COOKING?
>>YEAH.
>>Daryl: ALL OF THAT,
EQUIPMENT AND STUFF.
THAT MUST HAVE BEEN
INCREDIBLE RED TAPE.
>>YEAH.
IT’S TREMENDOUS DIFFICULT
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WALK INTO
IT WITH PASSION TO DO A
MISSION AND NOT GO IN
THINKING, OR HAVING THAT
MENTORSHIP OR ASKING FOR THAT
MENTORSHIP PRIOR, SO YOU’RE
FIGURING IT OUT ALONG THE WAY.
AND I THINK THAT’S WHY GOING
THROUGH IT IS WHAT GIVES ME
KIND OF THAT INSPIRATION TO
KEEP GOING.
BECAUSE I SEE HOW HARD IT IS
AND I WANT TO ALSO HELP PAVE
THE WAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO BE
ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE, MAN.
>>Daryl: WHAT WAS THE ONE
HARDEST THING?
IF YOU COULD HAVE A MAGIC WAND
AND GET RID OF ONE THING ABOUT
THE DIFFICULTY OF STARTING A
BUSINESS, WHAT WOULD IT BE?
DO YOU FILL YOUR OWN TAX FORM?
>>HARDEST THING IS WORKING
WITH THE EMOTIONS OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE DEALING WITH REAL
PROBLEMS OF HUNGER OR FINDING
A JOB OR FIGURING THEMSELVES
OUT OR FIGURING OUT WHO THEY
ARE AS A PERSON, HOW TO JUST
EVEN HAVE CONFIDENCE IN
THEMSELVES, SOMETIMES, I
THINK THAT’S THE GREATEST
STRUGGLE.
EVERYTHING ELSE WE CAN KIND OF
FIGURE OUT.
THERE’S RESOURCES.
AND WE CAN ASK, BUT WHEN
SOMEBODY HAS A PERSONAL STORY
IN FRONT OF YOU, I DON’T KNOW
WHAT TO DO A LOT OF THE TIME.
EXCEPT SAY I’M HERE TO TRY TO
SUPPORT YOU.
>>Daryl: WHAT TO YOU ANY?
DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT IN
HAWAIʻI IS THE ANSWER?
IS IT THE PROBLEM?
>>WE, THE THING IS THIS, I
WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
>>Daryl: I KNOW.
>>TAXES THAT PEOPLE PAY PAY
FOR MY SALARY, THEY PAY FOR
THE BOOKS, THEY PAY FOR THE
BUILDING, THEY PAY FOR THE
ELECTRICITY, AND I CAN REALLY
CONFIDENTLY SAY WE DON’T HAVE
ENOUGH IN SCHOOLS.
ANYBODY THAT THINKS THAT THE
SCHOOL BUDGET IS HUGE, WHICH
IT IS HUGE, TAKE UP MAJORITY
OF STATE’S ANNUAL BUDGET, BUT
JUST WALK AROUND A SCHOOL FOR
THE DAY.
ASK SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACH
FOR THEY HAVE ENOUGH PARAS IN
THE CLASSROOM.
HOW MANY BOOKS KIDS HAVE.
IF THE BATHROOMS WORK AND
TOILET PAPER IN THEM.
WE NEED TAX DOLLARS FOR.
WE DOESN’T KNOW WHERE THE TAX
DOLLARS COME FROM.
HOPEFULLY THERE’S SOME MAGIC
TREE SOMEWHERE WE CAN GET THEM
OFF OF.
THAT’S MY, — SO TORN BECAUSE
I KNOW THAT TAXES PAY FOR WHAT
WE NEED.
AND IF EDUCATION IS GOING TO
BE THAT GREAT EQUALIZER THAT
WE CAN PROVIDE OUR STUDENTS,
AND PROVIDE THEM SKILLS WE
NEED WE NEED TO FIND THE MONEY
TO DO SO.
SHOULDN’T BE THAT THE SCHOOLS
IN THE RICH AND AFFLUENT AREAS
HAVE THE BEST OPPORTUNITIES
AND SCHOOLS MOST SUPPORTED WE
SHOULD BE SUPPORTING EVERY
SCHOOL, EVERY STUDENT
THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE
AND THAT’S GOING TO TAKE
MONEY.
>>Daryl: START WITH THIS
QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE HOPE?
ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT THE
FUTURE OR WORRY ABOUT THE
FUTURE?
>>I HAVE TO BE HOPEFUL.
I HAVE TO HOPE FOR CHANGE.
AND AARON WAS SAYING, I
BELIEVE, FIRMLY BELIEVE, THAT
IT’S GOING TO TAKE THE FUTURE
GENERATIONS TO SOLVE
PROBLEMS.
>>Daryl: SUMNER, I SAID
HAWAIʻI LET YOU ANSWER THESE
QUESTIONS.
BUT — I SAID I WOULD LET YOU
ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS BUT
YOU ONLY HAVE 30 SECONDS.
TELL ME THE ONE THING, MAGIC
ONE THING THAT YOU WOULD DO,
ONE THING.
>>DEALING WITH GOVERNMENT.
OR ANYTHING.
TO FIX THIS.
>>WELL, I THINK WE DO NEED TO
SOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS.
RIGHT UP THERE AT THE TOP OF
THE AGENDA.
IF YOU LOOK AT HOW EXPENSIVE
HAWAIʻI IS, COMPARED TO OTHER
CITIES OF THE MAINLAND,
INDEX, ABOUT 20% MORE
EXPENSIVE.
THIS IS HONOLULU.
20% MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE
AVERAGE MAINLAND CITY MUCH
NOT SAN FRANCISCO, PROBABLY
MORE LINCOLN NEBRASKA,
AVERAGE U.S. CITY.
20 MORE EXPENSIVE.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE GOODS
EXCEPT HOUSING, ONLY ABOUT 7
TO 10% MORE EXPENSIVE.
>>Daryl: THANK YOU.
DONE.
GOOD JOB.
I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR
JOINING TONIGHT FROM HOME AND
WE WANT TO THANK OUR GUESTS,
ERIN KANNO UEHARA, OWNER OF
CHOLO LEA IN MANOA VALLEY,
OAHU
SUMNER LA CROIX, ECONOMICS
PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF HAWAIʻI AT MANOA.
SARAH TOCHIKI, BAND DIRECTOR
AT CHIEFESS KAMAKAHELEI
MIDDLE SCHOOL IN LIHUE,
KAUAI.
AND SEAN KAMALANI RAPOZA, A
WAREHOUSE WORKER AND
SELF-DESCRIBED PEOPLE
PERSON.
NEXT WEEK ON ANOTHER SPECIAL
EDITION OF INSIGHTS.
WE CONTINUE OUR SERIES
“WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE?”
WITH A LOOK AT THE THE HEALTH
OF HAWAI?I?S
HAWAIʻI’S PEOPLE AND ITS
ENVIRONMENT. WE HOPE YOU JOIN
US THEN.
I’M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON
PBS HAWAIʻI – A HUI HOU!

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  • November 9, 2019 at 2:05 am
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    one bedroom in my area is $3,600. would love for it to be only $1,200. for the betterment of the warehouse worker, someone please tell him to work on his speaking by erasing the use of "ummmm" and "aaahhh". thx

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  • November 9, 2019 at 9:34 am
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    Important discussion for our times, more should see this if only to not feel alone. Great work and keep it up!

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  • November 9, 2019 at 10:38 am
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    The only way to make it livable in Hawai'i is to make locals as important to the state as tourists are. We need to lower the cost of housing, and the only way to do that is to pass a law where only Hawaiians and 3+ generation locals are allowed to buy fee simple and everyone else can only buy leasehold. As it stands right now, mainlanders and foreigners are buying up the housing inventory and creating a monopoly of ever raising housing prices. They control the inventory and prices and that prices locals out of both the buying and rental market. They know that a small inventory of housing means they can easily dictate the cost because theres always going to be someone to pay it… usually new residents moving in from the mainland.
    Also, for people priced out of homes its still not a good option to buy an apartment or condo because the maintenance fees are damn near half the mortgage, you might as well be paying for a house when you factor in the monthly maintenance fees. Add to that one of the highest electric bills in the country, high grocery prices thanks to the jones act, and theres really no options aside from living with family, moving to the mainland or living on the streets.

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  • November 9, 2019 at 3:33 pm
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    Affordable housing in haliimaile contact +18593340451

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  • November 9, 2019 at 3:58 pm
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    Interesting that Washington State figures into two of the people's lives. I was born and raised in Hawaii, brought my children up there, and had hoped to stay there the rest of my life. Circumstances (mostly financial) made that unlikely after my children were grown. I moved to Washington State where I can actually support myself doing what I love, teach piano. Eventually all my children followed me here. They are all doing well and can afford to visit home frequently. There are so many people from Hawaii in this area that there are many Pacific island festivals during the summer and Hawaiian clubs to connect with people from home and to experience the feeling of Aloha and Ohana that I miss here. That being said, I visited home for the first time in 25 years last Fall and realized that I could never move back. I can do so much more here than I could there and my life is far less stressful. However, I do hope to be able to visit again and enjoy the experience. Mahalo for such an important discussion.

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